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C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

Last post Fri, Jan 01 2010, 10:49 PM by gbsiscool5531. 8 replies.
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  •  Tue, Nov 10 2009, 7:01 PM 154872

    C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    I just read this post in another thread by Blackfaer....

    http://www.greatbigsea.com/forums/thread/153038.aspx

    "As both a fan and an industry professional who has been working with GBS, I thought it might interest you and others to know that the "completely arbitrary" no-camera rules and no-photo/video/audio recording rules are not because the local house enjoys being camera ***. In fact, they're not arbitrary, but directly required by GBS or its agent.

     GBS, like many music acts, have contracts that REQUIRE the local venue to prevent any recording or photography. In fact, I can quote directly from a GBS contract: "PURCHASER shall not itself nor shall it permit others to record, broadcast, televise, photograph, or otherwise reproduce the visual and/or audio performances hereunder, or any part thereof...."

     Other parts of the contract ensure that should GBS decide that they were to sue a local venue for failure to fulfil that requirement of the contract, that the local venue would pay for all legal costs for GBS to sue them, regardless of the results of any awards.

     So the people being camera *** are really just trying to protect their own backsides. You might cut them a little more slack. I'm not saying it's a fair or reasonable rule - just that it's GBS trying to enforce it, and some poor security guard is just trying to do their job so the venue doesn't get in trouble. Not because they're just trying to throw their weight around.":

     

    So what's the real story here? I always see (and enjoy) show pics and planned to bring my camera to get some of my own finally.  But if GBS puts this camera stuff in their contract does that mean they don't want any cameras there?  If they don't why not they just say so and be done with it?  Every GBS fan I ever talked to swears the boys love to pose for photos during the show but how do you explain what  Blackfear said about their contracts?

     

    I don't wanna do the wrong thing.  I don't care if I "get away" with it. I don't want to be an a**hole at my show and  I don't want to piss off the boys. Sad 

     

     

  •  Tue, Nov 10 2009, 7:12 PM 154873 in reply to 154872

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    Chance it with the camera or not... just please PLEASE don't use flash during a show!  As a performer and a concert-goer, I can tell you what a giant distraction it is in both situations.  I've been to many shows (GBS and not) where the person next to me was snapping away through the entire show.  It's very obnoxious. (It's even more obnoxious at General Admission shows when they try to butt you out of the way to get their coveted close up.)

    Personally, if the venue makes an announcement or it's in the program that photos are prohibited, then I don't bother taking the camera out.  If they don't say anything, it's all fair game.  (This is probably why none of my pics come out good.) Cool

     


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  •  Wed, Nov 11 2009, 12:48 AM 154908 in reply to 154872

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    Blackfaer wrote "In fact, they're not arbitrary, but directly required by GBS or its agent."

    Is it GBS or the agent that put that in?

    I love taking photos of anything (especially GBS) but do respect what the venue says.

    I have seen venues have no camera policy. When I call ahead, they say if band says to allow cameras they will. Most often, I get there and the venue staff announces cameras are allowed- sometimes request no flash.  Only the House of Blues would  not allow cameras.

    As far as the band and cameras. I recall a show in Chicago where some gal in front had a camera set on video mode. Alan saw it during the show, took it and shot some video from the stage of the gal, the audience & the band.

     

  •  Wed, Nov 11 2009, 6:54 AM 154917 in reply to 154908

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    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    The band saw me shooting video and pictures in Portsmouth.  As bands make 95%+ of their money from shows, not recordings being sold, it only makes sense to let people spread the word with photos and youtube videos, etc.


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  •  Wed, Nov 11 2009, 8:39 AM 154919 in reply to 154917

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    Off the FAQ's on the Sonic Entertainment website:

    "Am I allowed to bring photographic equipment to events?

    The majority of our shows have a strict no photography policy. It’s suggested that cameras be left at home; if brought to the venue they can be confiscated by the event staff."

     

    'The majority of our shows' and 'it is suggested' are not the same as 'no'. It can be inferred then that at least one of the groups they represent (like Great Big Sea) do allow it. I don't imagine that they would bother to have differently worded contracts set up for GBS. This way they can also cover themselves should someone decide to set up shop and begin selling all their concert pics.

    As far as I know, the band has no problem with cameras at shows and often play with fan cameras on stage (that doesn't mean their management doesn't, they may grunt and groan about it but probably bow to the wishes of their clients). When you are told no at a GBS concert it is because the venue has said no. Probably because they don't want to take any chances of getting themselves into trouble.  As mentioned, some venues that say no in writing (just like GBS contracts) can also be persuaded to change their minds when told that the band allows it.

    I went to the Hyannis and Cohassett shows this summer. They are sister theatres that are run in, more or less, the same way. I saw on their sites that cameras were not allowed. I e-mailed one of them that the band allowed and was  told, if that turned out to be the case cameras would be permitted.

    In Hyannis my high-end point and shoot was refused because it resembled a DSLR (too much of a stretch of the rules). I returned it to my car and came back with a regular digital and was allowed in with it. They did tell me to stop when they saw me using it in video mode though. In Cohassett the next night, my expensive camera was allowed in with no problems and no one said anything about shooting videos, if they noticed.

    In the end, it does not matter what the band allows or even what is written in their contracts, it is the venue (and the person in charge of security that night) that has the final say. They could remove that clause from their contracts and it wouldn't change the rules at the venue.

    In my opinion, advances in technology since the 70's and 80's have made it an outdated rule. It is ridiculous to remove a camera from someone at a concert when cell phones aren't checked at the door and high end cell phones take nice photos. Very few fans will refuse to buy concert DVD's simply because they have video that they took themselves at concerts either. And Mike's right, what better way to gain new fans for the band than to post videos you've taken onto you facebook page?


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  •  Wed, Nov 11 2009, 10:03 AM 154921 in reply to 154872

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    We were told by the ushers at the Louisville KY show that we were allowed to take pics as long as we didn't use a flash - lots of people still used a flash though, and mine accidentally went off once.  Bob glared at me. :(   (SORRY BOB!!) 
  •  Wed, Nov 11 2009, 11:08 AM 154925 in reply to 154921

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    Here's an interesting timely article from Cnet News

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10392935-52.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5


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  •  Tue, Nov 17 2009, 2:02 PM 155371 in reply to 154925

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    I've brought my camera to every show, and never really had any problems.

    The only time I ever really had to ask was when they played at the Glacier in Mount Pearl. I asked them their policy, they said pictures would be fine, but no flash.

     


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  •  Fri, Jan 01 2010, 10:49 PM 157473 in reply to 154919

    Re: C'mon GBS, What's Your Photography Policy?

    Fran:

    Off the FAQ's on the Sonic Entertainment website:

    "Am I allowed to bring photographic equipment to events?

    The majority of our shows have a strict no photography policy. It’s suggested that cameras be left at home; if brought to the venue they can be confiscated by the event staff."

     

    'The majority of our shows' and 'it is suggested' are not the same as 'no'. It can be inferred then that at least one of the groups they represent (like Great Big Sea) do allow it. I don't imagine that they would bother to have differently worded contracts set up for GBS. This way they can also cover themselves should someone decide to set up shop and begin selling all their concert pics.

    As far as I know, the band has no problem with cameras at shows and often play with fan cameras on stage (that doesn't mean their management doesn't, they may grunt and groan about it but probably bow to the wishes of their clients). When you are told no at a GBS concert it is because the venue has said no. Probably because they don't want to take any chances of getting themselves into trouble.  As mentioned, some venues that say no in writing (just like GBS contracts) can also be persuaded to change their minds when told that the band allows it.

    I went to the Hyannis and Cohassett shows this summer. They are sister theatres that are run in, more or less, the same way. I saw on their sites that cameras were not allowed. I e-mailed one of them that the band allowed and was  told, if that turned out to be the case cameras would be permitted.

    In Hyannis my high-end point and shoot was refused because it resembled a DSLR (too much of a stretch of the rules). I returned it to my car and came back with a regular digital and was allowed in with it. They did tell me to stop when they saw me using it in video mode though. In Cohassett the next night, my expensive camera was allowed in with no problems and no one said anything about shooting videos, if they noticed.

    In the end, it does not matter what the band allows or even what is written in their contracts, it is the venue (and the person in charge of security that night) that has the final say. They could remove that clause from their contracts and it wouldn't change the rules at the venue.

    In my opinion, advances in technology since the 70's and 80's have made it an outdated rule. It is ridiculous to remove a camera from someone at a concert when cell phones aren't checked at the door and high end cell phones take nice photos. Very few fans will refuse to buy concert DVD's simply because they have video that they took themselves at concerts either. And Mike's right, what better way to gain new fans for the band than to post videos you've taken onto you facebook page?

    I agree with you.

    Another thing everyone: There is a forum called "photos" on this message board, if the band had a problem with photos, they'd probably remove it.


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