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My Back Pages - Rankin Street and other roots of GBS


My years with Sean (and many, many others) in Rankin Street have been romanticized a bit over the years. I have often regretted describing those years as ‘our apprenticeship in St. John’s rowdy dockside pubs’ in an early bio. It makes it all a bit too casual and rough and ready. And like anything else, the truth is somewhere in between.

In a way, though, we had no one to blame but ourselves. It is a bit embarrassing, but a lot of the craziest stories are true. Pubs were dodgier here twenty years ago. People drank earlier, drank more, and drank harder. Rock bands were out of favor, but the traditional scene was thriving, and we went at it full on. There were so many alcohol-fueled indulgences that sometimes it seems like an extended five-year dream We really did get into fist-fights onstage; sometimes with each other - more than once with the audience. Jeff Scott, Sue from Gander, Jackie, Fiddler, Heidi and another half dozen characters really did pass through the band. We really did swap instruments at random points during boring shows, (whether one knew how to play them or not). We really did lug the gear up and down George Street for three-show St. Patrick Days, and play seven nights straight for weeks on end, our voices bloody rags. Going straight from the pub to a final exam was routine, as was getting your whole night’s sleep ration after sound check, in the back of a car parked under the bar windows. We really did buy a large and complicated PA system on a whim one fall afternoon, and then set it up and played through it that night, despite having no idea how it even turned on, not too mention how to mix live audio. We really did produce our own series for local cable, without even having so much as a conversation about what we were going to do for half an hour a week. We played so well some nights that everyone there was transfixed, and remembered it like their high school prom - and we played so badly other nights that the bar emptied before our eyes. We really did give away some 1000 beers, right off the stage, during our farewell performance. We really did an entire show where we played ‘Lukey’ every third song, just to see if anyone would notice. We really did…and on and on it goes.

But mostly, we learned how to do this. We learned how to stand on a stage and be unafraid, no matter who was in front of you. We learned how to keep going, even if everything broke, we forgot all the words, or we suddenly acquired a world-class case of hiccups. We learned how to play when we were exhausted, enraged, loaded, when we could not hear a thing, when there was no room, when all the strings were gone, when we had no monitors, when someone was leaning on you, shouting the wrong words in your ear, or when you were trying not to spew after an unwisely accepted triple shot of Black Sambuca.

I spent years fighting with my instruments, trying to make things sound bigger and louder without also sounding like shitty electric guitars. Three different mandolins led to a mandola, and then my first bouzouki. It was a Greek model, better suited to the wall of a taverna, and it sounded so bad the band threatened to quit if I insisted on playing it. A series of fiddles all sounded wretched, with pickups that sounded like transistor radios. Once, I actually ripped an accordion in two, and I pitched dozens of cheap tin whistles into the crowd, vexed with their shrill tone. It took us til well into Great Big Sea before we got gear that was fit to actually use night after night.

Half the problem was the lack of decent models. Lots of guys played accordion around here, but only a handful had grappled with playing in high-volume situations. Most just used whatever microphone was available, and got used to the shit sound. Fiddlers, even the good ones, usually sounded terrible. No one really played the bouzouki much then.

Gradually we found decent pick-ups, and learned how to close-mic the accordion and the bodhran so they would not howl with feedback. In the early GBS days we acquired the first versions of the vastly superior Takamine guitars we still lay live. Sean discovered the Sausudo whistles, the whistle that made it possible to actually play the bloody things live. And in 1995 Alan and I bought our first bouzoukis. We used mediocre mandolin and guitar pickups for a while, until John Littler at Headway in the UK made us decent custom jobs. Then we had a bigger problem - what to play. We ended up evolving into two very different styles. Alan is primarily a guitar player, so he favours a rhythmic and chordal approach. For me, it was a just a big mandolin. Also, I knew the flowing melodic style of Donal Lunny and Andy Irvine - the guys who pretty much invented Celtic bouzouki. Mind you, their style didn’t really work for us. We needed a different sound anyway; the lyrical soft picking Lunny approach did not work at all with GBS’s power.

Turn was the first album where we really figured out how to use the bouzoukis. Alan’s style can be heard very clearly on Jack Hinks - his bouz carries the rhythm, a tight, direct strum pattern that holds the whole track together. We needed something different from me - I needed to be able to play pop hooks, but at the same time keep the sound essentially acoustic and folksy. The answer came from the Birds, half-heard on the radio. It was one of those ‘eureka’ moments. Have a listen to their ‘My Back Pages’, and then ‘Consequence Free’. The rest should be obvious.

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Published Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:21 PM by Bob
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AnneInPhilly said:

Well,

We're glad you guys possess the gift of determination! I suppose that and pure stubborness played into your longevity.

Funny you should mention TURN as being the first time you "got" how to use the bouzoukis. I have always noticed something different about TURN, maybe that quality was the bouzoukis. It was so different from the Debut, UP and PLAY. Even though Sea of No Cares had the obvious new drum loops and a more pop sound, it seems to me that there was more experimenting with vocal arrangements then. That seems to have continued with Something Beautiful along with the definite poppier sound on that album. You took the best of the former and blended that into the Hard and the Easy's more traditional sound.

Concert-wise, the sound was really good the last year or two Tony was at the soundboard, maybe that was because you guys finally got the mic thing figured out. Then it was dodgy for a bit, but it seems to be back to being good again. GBS was one of the first bands I saw who used the wireless monitor earphones. It seems to make for a much easier set up on stage and a lot less gear to drag around with you.

Come back soon to Philly, I have to miss NYC in January

I can't wait to hear what surprises await us on the new album. Regarding changes, who knows what the next decade will bring? Whatever the answer, I hope you all continue to make the music you want to make.

Anne

December 22, 2007 8:36 PM
 

Anna the Piper said:

First comment I've dropped on these posts! First of all, thank you very much for sharing this commentary with fan readers. For those of us who are at least a bit musically inclined, we very much appreciate it. :)

Which brings me to this. <i>Turn</i> is about when I came into the fold of <i>Great Big Sea</i> fandom, and indeed, the bouzouki on "Jack Hinks" is one of the very first things I fell in love with about the album. There are little strum patterns in there that I have striven to duplicate on my own zouk now that I have one, little flourishes that I have also found don't duplicate well on my guitar. Your own bouzouki riffs of course come through on "Consequence Free", and now you really have me curious about the Birds. I'll have to go check 'em out.
December 23, 2007 1:05 AM
 

TC said:

'My Back Pages'/'Consequence Free' connection is so interesting. Steve Earle's interpretation of 'My Back Pages' interesting, too.  Thanks for insight into the "evolution" over the years.  I can get pretty frustrated trying to find what 'works' musically.  (mostly finding what doesn't work, but you give me hope that growth is possible. :) ) Have you heard Johnny Moynihan singing  "The Frost is all Over?"  It's great with Christmas lights and Cranberry wine. :)  Have a great day!
December 23, 2007 3:03 AM
 

Helenwheels said:

Bob,
I have a copy of an old Rankin Street recording.  It is apparent how much things have changed, how much you've all grown as musicians. I think it is wonderful that you have given us a retrospective look at your evolution as a band and as musicians.  Even in the few years I've been coming to GBS shows, I have seen a continued evolution. I have heard your Bouzouki leads in the LR SoNC get better, more intricate, every time I hear you play it.    Like Anne said, I can not wait to see where the future takes the music and the musicians, and where that will take us, the fans.  
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!
Helen
December 23, 2007 3:17 PM
 

Dan said:

*insert noises of sucking up* *followed by noises of gagging*  Getting any smart conversation yet Bobby?

Dude it's Byrds not Birds. Maybe you think that's a piddling error but I bet you'd be pissed if you got called Grate Big See.

I always saw Turn as your first grown up record.

Later...
December 23, 2007 3:46 PM
 

Honey said:

I am intrigued that you say the Byrds influenced Turn.  Was it just on Consequence Free?  I could feel the influence from the first time I heard the album.  I can't recall now if I actually felt influence on Consequence Free.  The album had the feel of a riff from that era.  Not sure if I had it pinned to the Byrds.  

I am not musically talented in the way of instruments.  I'm here for the listening and the singing and the clapping and the stomping of feet.  That is my contribution.  Mind you, if I could play an instrument, no doubt in my mind that I would be playing your music.

It's mostly the awe of the rock and roll beauty of being a star that I see.  I know that it has taken all of you alot to get to the top.  Playing music is the path you've chosen.  The horror stories as well as the success stories.  

Looking forward to hearing that new album which will rocket you further into stardom.  Have you captured a growing audience in the States?  I know the answer is Yes.  Performing on Ships and Dip will acheive new fan status guaranteed.  You will blow them GBS newbies away!  Perhaps a Grammy will come your way. :)
December 23, 2007 5:10 PM
 

Bob said:

It started as 'Byrds'; the software that this website platform uses automatically imposes Standard American spelling, and also edits out profanity.

Bypassing it is a pain not worth unduring.

December 24, 2007 7:14 AM
 

Dan said:

Well that makes more sense than you not knowing the right way spell Byrds. Thank you for explaining that. Maybe it's time to tell your platform software to *** off, or do you have to type it like fu<i></i>ck off or fvck off or maybe fu ck off? It's like being back in Grade 7.

Merry Christmas Bobby
December 24, 2007 5:58 PM
 

Bonnie-the-Bodhranista said:

I hope you and yours are enjoying a nice Christmas, Bob!

The only pub I've been to since I got into St. John's is Erin's because I'm not big on the huge crowds that I hear that most of the other's attract.  One day I'll venture into some of others.  As such, I'll have to take your word on the pubs being dodgier about 20 years ago.  However, with your collective experience and history playing the bars and pubs here I'm sure it readied you all for pretty much anything the road can throw at you.  And I'm sure some of the stories you have of those times are more interesting/embarassing than any you've shared so far!  Not that I wouldn't be interesting in hearing of them, because I can assure you that I certainly would.  Only if you are comfortable sharing them with us though.

I can only imagine the struggle it's been for you all to get the mix right up on stage with instruments that can take the constant abuse of touring and playing, sound equipment that won't fuzz out at the worst times, and road crew that actually has a handle on their jobs.  My own experience was dealing with shit sound equipment at a weekly jam session I used to attend once upon a time in Chilliwack...when they used to welcome the folkies.  A different mic for my bodhran each week really blew...ugh.  But a buck a pint made it worth the time to go each week.  $20 sure managed to last a lot longer those nights!

Anyhow, I'm glad that you guys went through all the hard knocks and stuck with the music-making.  Keep on making the music you want and enjoying it as much as you can.  Thank you for sharing all of this with us!

Again, Merry Christmas!
December 25, 2007 2:06 PM
 

seaworthy said:

A very merry and joyful Christmas and peace in the New Year to you and the Boys Bob !  Turn gets the most airplay from me. Always thought of the Byrds as Bob Dylan groupies.
December 25, 2007 5:44 PM
 

MarianneB said:

It's kinda nice reminiscing, isn't it?  Turn was the one that really reeled me in as well, and made me believe GBS was in for a longer haul.  I don't know if it was a conscious effort at modifying the sound (uhhhh, I guess it had something to do with the bouzoukis?) or just a reflection of four guys maturing.  Prior to that, I was entertained and amused, and even got a bit of a Newfoundland history lesson, but wasn't entirely sure where the band was going.  Glad you're still working things out and that you're still here.
Happy New Year.
Marianne
December 26, 2007 9:35 AM
 

amercat said:

Thanks for your last post, Bob.  I truly enjoyed the history telling some key bits of the crafting of the GBS sound.  For me, it’s fascinating to see, in any given situation, what issues or problems are chosen to be solved and then to see in what order and how they are solved.  It’s also fascinating to hear how the music changes over time as a band continues to refine their sound.
December 26, 2007 10:26 AM
 

TC said:

I read a Peter Gabriel quote that I think fits this post:  "One thing that really appeals to me is this idea of music being a living thing that has an evolution that, in a way, enables the artist to sell a process rather than a piece of product."  

...also discovered that Anne Briggs (of Sweeney's Men, etc.) played the bouzouki. It's great to listen to the older stuff which helped provide a foundation for future musicians to build upon.  Happy New Year!
December 26, 2007 11:25 PM
 

Fran E. said:

For anyone that's looking for a whistle, you're never going to find a "Sausudo" whistle.  You'll have much better luck finding a Susato whistle.  But at least Bob's consistent - a web search for Sausudo reveals that he spelled it the same way back in the very first Great Big Newsletter in Feb. 1997.  
December 27, 2007 2:21 AM
 

Seaworthy said:

So is that a Rickenbacher 12 string that starts "Feel It Turn"? I understand McGuinn used that at the start " Mr. Tamberine Man". Also since Tom Petty was greatly influenced by the Byrds and McGuinn graciously toured with them because of it are you guys Petty fans as well?
December 27, 2007 3:11 PM
 

seaworthy said:

Also (while I'm at it), I've read the term great big sea refers to tsunamis however did Great Big Sea take the name directly from Ryan's Fancy's Great Big Sea/ Copper Plate Reel?
December 27, 2007 3:23 PM
 

Bob said:

The song 'Great Big Sea Hove In Long Beach' was the inspiration for the band's name. It predates Ryan's Fancy by a hundred years or so. The song was very familar to us all, being part of the collective repetoire which pre-dated the band.

The Rickenbacher 12 string was a prop for the video, as was the fancy silver whistle I played; the Rick was never played by Alan in the studio. Our usual guitar-bouz combo played the descending melodies on the recorded version of the song, which was recorded almost a year prior to the video.

For the trivia nuts, the guitar Alan played was borrowed from Andrew MacNaughton, who in turn received it as a gift from Geddy Lee. Lee played that particular guitar live many times with his band - Rush.
December 28, 2007 7:57 AM
 

Helenwheels said:

I am not a trivia nut, but there is always an ongoing friendly rivalry between Rush and Great Big Sea in our family, so this brought up a lengthy discussion last night.
I almost hesitate to question you on another Rush matter, but since we listen to a lot of Rush in this  house,  I am confused.  Geddy Lee is a bass player.  Does he also play guitar?   I am curious what kind of guitar both he and Alan played.  Can you explain?
Helen
December 29, 2007 11:20 AM
 

Fifi said:

Thanks! That entry rocks and is doing a lot to keep a musician (me) keeping on. Your hard work is appreciated, and also this journal. I've never forgotten sharing a table with you all at a festival years ago. GBS is a grand working model of a band that my husband and I look up to! We look forward to your next CD. Happy New Year to you and the lads! And the women behind you as well! /Fifi
January 1, 2008 1:22 AM
 

McSteve said:

Bob:

Found the last post very interesting.  I sometimes play with my Dad's local, money-losing pub band as the rhythm hacker when the least skilled member is too hung-over to make it.  Because it is more of a hobby, my instruments and equipment are largely rigged for my garage/kitchen parties.  I feel your pain on trying to make mediocre equipment sound decent.  I've given up and stand as far away from the monitor or amplifier as possible when playing a guitar or octave mandolin to avoid feedback – I’d love to know your pub stage secrets.   BTW - doesn't Alan actually play an older Trinity College Octave Mando on stage rather than a 'zouk?  It looks suspiciously similar to my rig, although the headstock symbol is a Fleur-de-lis.

Don’t give up on the intellectual and argumentative post altogether – sometimes a little controversy keeps the interest up.    
January 3, 2008 1:11 PM
 

Mel said:

No mention of Darrell in Rankin Street?
January 3, 2008 5:55 PM
 

bob said:

Well, I didn't really mention Sean either.

Hey, I just try and tell my own story. I have no idea what anyone else thought about any of this, nor would I presume to speak for them.
January 8, 2008 2:12 PM
 

Eiledon said:

Bob, Is any of the Rankin Street material available to listen to?
January 17, 2008 12:42 AM
 

eaststj said:

Well, I certainly enjoyed listening to Rankin Street play live and the rogers cable tv show and the cassette - it's one of my fav's.  & you guys were very well liked by many as Rankin Street.  I saw you many nights at Holdsworth Court - thet courtyard by Jungle Jims & you guys & Jackie ROCKED.  I knew someone who did a lot of the camera work for Rogers on the Rankin Street program - which I loved to watch weekly.  I got that you guys were crafting your art - and seems to me that playing tunes &  a little talk between them is what you go on a tv show and Rankin Street did it better than most.  Also loved seeing you on the stage of the Folk festival one sunny afternoon - beautiful.  
March 4, 2008 3:08 PM
 

Essiecp said:

i am gonna show this to my friend, man
March 20, 2008 9:09 AM
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